Loki Archives – We Got This Covered Thu, 01 Aug 2024 22:00:55 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 https://wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/WGTC_Favicon2.png?w=32 Loki Archives – We Got This Covered 32 32 210963106 5 ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ plot holes that could earn Wade and Logan a fast-track expulsion to the Marvel Void https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/5-deadpool-wolverine-plot-holes-that-can-earn-wade-and-logan-a-fast-track-expulsion-to-the-void/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/5-deadpool-wolverine-plot-holes-that-can-earn-wade-and-logan-a-fast-track-expulsion-to-the-void/#respond Thu, 01 Aug 2024 20:40:24 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1733810 You do remember what happened the last time Marvel neglected a character, right?]]>

Breaking the fourth wall and doing things without an explanation is Deadpool’s thing, I get that. Hopping across universes with Cable’s time travel device? Fine, he can do it. Visiting Earth-616 to interview for joining the Avengers about whom he somehow already knew? Okay, nodding along with the Merc with a Mouth. But what about the rest of the unexplainable plot holes in Deadpool & Wolverine?

While Wade being meta just erases every bonkers thing he does, the same does not apply to the people around him who have been pretty ordinary in the first two films: Vanessa, his bartender friend, Blind Al, Dopinder. Anything separate from Deadpool — including situations he has a role in but can’t control — abides by that nifty thing called “in-movie universe” logic and is not left up in the air.

But apart from seriously bungling how time travel actually works in the MCU, Deadpool & Wolverine also casually tosses aside the above requirement and creates plot holes that could threaten Wade Wilson and Logan’s ticket in the MCU, pitching them back to the real-life Marvel Void where things that don’t do the studio any good go (see: Kang the Loser). There are many things with this film I’m genuinely baffled about, but these five take the cake.

5. Alternate Logan’s presence on Deadpool’s Earth-10005 shouldn’t be possible

Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds in Deadpool and Wolverine
Photo via Marvel Studios

Forget the fact that taming the Time Ripper was supposed to shred a mutant to pieces but barely gave Wolvy and Pool a scratch (it did blast Hugh Jackman’s costume away) ⏤ Logan’s mere presence on Wade’s Earth is a ticking time bomb, nicely described as an Incursion in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. 

Remember how the “Smartest Man Alive,” aka Reed Richards, explained that 616’s Strange’s arrival on Earth-838 “confuses and destabilizes reality?” “The larger the footprint you leave behind, the greater the risk of an Incursion,” he said. Reed was warning that Strange’s presence would “erode” the boundaries between their Earths, leading them to collide and resulting in the destruction of one or both realities. And what’s a “larger footprint” than Wolverine sticking around on Pool’s Earth?

Oof… that’s one hell of a risk to take. Or in the case of Deadpool & Wolverine’s plot, one hell of a danger to completely forget just to bring Logan and X23 into DP’s Earth. Director Shawn Levy might overlook this, but per the in-universe logic, why did the TVA ignore this massive rule? Sure, Logan saved Pool’s Earth and somehow tweaked the laws to join it. But what about X-23? Unless the TVA is secretly planning the complete annihilation of Earth-10005, this is one massive oversight by the studio, and at a time when it had to bring Robert Downey Jr. back from Marvel retirement.

4. Riddle me this: Why was X-23 in the Void?

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Logan ended on a very hopeful note for mutants’ future on Earth 10005, especially X-23, who transitioned from the kid sidekick needing a Wolverine to save to fighting her own fight. But in Deadpool 3, she is not only missing her accent, but also a reason for being there. Mind you, she is the OG Logan’s OG X-23 — the sunglasses, the same way her Logan died, etc. But why was she pruned? She was in North Dakota when we last saw her and now she is back to needing rescuing from another Wolverine? Was she stuffed into the film for the emotional and fan-serving factor? Or…is the Void glitchy? Can someone enter it without getting pruned? Or did Levy just throw caution to the wind, believing the nostalgia would cover it up?

3. Logan of Deadpool’s Earth-10005 cannot be its Anchor Being

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The TVA approaching Deadpool, his Earth perishing, Wade embarking on his insane journey to find a Logan from another Earth, the whole Cassandra Nova drama — it all began, and practically relies on, Earth-10005’s Logan dying. That event kickstarted his reality’s slow erasure and set the entire film into motion ⏤ a film whose events are officially set in 2024 while the story of Logan takes place in 2029. Paradox specified that the decline of a universe begins after its Anchor Being perishes — past tense. So, since the impending destruction of Earth 10005 in the beginning of the film was inevitable, was it dying for no obvious reason? Does that mean the fate of a timeline is not really connected to its so-called Anchor Being? Or Logan wasn’t even the Anchor Being? And speaking of Anchor Beings…

2. If a timeline’s life source is its Anchor Being, how did it survive before their arrival?

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Unless the MCU starts peddling the theory of reincarnation, this is one hell of a head-scratcher. How did OG Logan’s timeline survive before his birth if was there when he entered his messy world? If it was perfectly fine until his existence, why is it breaking into pieces after he ceased to exist? And, an Anchor Being ain’t some magical creature — this person will eventually die. What will happen to the timeline then? Is this going to be one of the many Marvel mysteries that take eons to be solved, or will it join the questions about Kang that will never be answered?

1. Has the TVA given up on the multiverse?

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Paradox had free reign over his side of the TVA, so much so that he installed a Time Ripper strong enough to erase every reality — including the Sacred Timeline. His idiocy brought it all to a point where Cassandra Nova had the Ripper in her hands and made the frankly brainless plan to end all apart from the Void. And yet, the TVA only arrived at the very end, with only a few security guards and Wunmi Mosaku’s B-15. The entire multiverse, as well as the Sacred Timeline, was about to go permanently POOF, and all the TVA could cough up was a frowning B-15? Wow.

The last time the MCU committed so many mistakes and left so many crucial questions unanswered, the one destined to be the franchise’s “bigger villain than Thanos” got canned. Kang was a disappointment even before Majors added “guilty of assault” to the script, and with Downey Jr.’s comeback as Doctor Doom, it is clear that Deadpool does not hold the position of Marvel Jesus. Marvel has a lot to figure out here, and if it doesn’t do so soon, we’re looking at a timeline in which the MCU might need to get pruned along with the folks trying to save it.

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Where are the suspiciously missing TVA characters from ‘Loki’ in ‘Deadpool & Wolverine?’ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/where-are-the-suspiciously-missing-tva-characters-from-loki-in-deadpool-wolverine/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/where-are-the-suspiciously-missing-tva-characters-from-loki-in-deadpool-wolverine/#respond Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:44:46 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1731818 Where have they gone?]]>

A solid portion of Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in the Time Variance Authority, aka the TVA, but this time around, not so many characters from Loki appear in it. Where are they?

As is always the case when Marvel movies and TV shows cross over, the answer could simply be, “We didn’t have the budget to include them.” Ryan Reynolds’s Deadpool even makes such jokes multiple times in Deadpool & Wolverine. However, we believe there could actually be better reasons as to why characters like Ouroboros and Victor Timely don’t appear in the film.

So, let’s allow our fantasies to run wild and take a few guesses about the missing TVA characters we know and love from Loki. That is basically everyone except Wunmi Mosaku’s Hunter B-15, who not only makes a cameo but also, understandably so, falls in love with Peter (Rob Delaney) when she sees him in Deadpool’s old suit. Who wouldn’t get rizzed by Peterpool?

Where are the other TVA agents in Deadpool & Wolverine?

Mobius

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To start things off, let’s mention Mobius. For those who remember the season finale of Loki’s season 2, Mobius decided to visit one of the earth’s timelines and “let time pass” by having a normal life like every human being. After struggling with saving the Multiverse and Loki’s arrogant humor, we don’t blame him, and it makes sense why he wouldn’t be in Deadpool & Wolverine.

Sylvie

Sophia Di Martino as Sylvie listening to music with headphones on in Loki season 2 episode 5
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Let’s also take a look at Sylvie, another variant of Loki. Her fate too is explained by the end of Loki season 2, where she announced she’s looking for freedom and new adventures. So she likely wasn’t at the TVA where Deadpool and Paradox started playing cat and mouse because she had enough of the place.

Ouroboros

Ke Huy Quan as A.D. Doug/OB in 'Loki' Season 2 Episode 5.
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Ke Huy Quan’s character is arguably the greatest scientist and technician in the TVA, outside of, you know, Victor Timely himself, who ends up inventing the whole TVA to begin with (even though it was Ouroboros who wrote the handbook). Ouroboros’ absence from the movie is actually worrying, especially because so much was going down in Paradox’s sector, what with him trying to erase an entire timeline from existence. You’d think top TVA minds would notice when someone creates something called a “Time Ripper” and recruits arguably the most unpredictable character in the whole Multiverse.

While Hunter B-15 does show up, Ouroboros is nowhere to be seen. However, looking at how seemingly quickly the TVA responded in the movie, the scientist likely had other things on his mind that were more important than saving just one timeline. Maybe he was trying to think of a way to get Loki back from the Temporal Loom without breaking the Multiverse and killing the God of Mischief. Or maybe he’s working on new tools to maintain TVA and keep the timelines in check? I only know a bit of algebra, but I guess challenges like these take more time than the tests in my math classes back in the day. Remember how Loki took centuries to realize what he needed to do in season 2’s finale? Maybe Ouroboros has similar rocket science tasks to solve.

Victor Timely

Victor Timely (Jonathan Majors) raises a hand to interject in 'Loki' season 2 episode 4.
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We’ve talked about the student, now let’s take a look at the mentor. Victor Timely was depicted as a hero in Loki’s season 2, but we all know he had the potential to become The One Who Remains. That likely won’t happen anymore because the actor who plays him, Jonathan Majors, has been booted from the MCU due to accusations of domestic violence.

Majors’ absence is likely why Timely isn’t in the movie, especially after Avengers: The Kang Dynasty was given a new direction, villain, and directors. Avengers 5 has now become Avengers: Doomsday. But just to theorize, we can make a guess and say Timely is either studying something in the TVA or maybe has been locked in some cell because of his future potential. We’ll never know, and probably won’t need to.

Casey

Eugene Cordero as Casey/Frank Morris in 'Loki' Season 2 Episode 5.
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Casey had an entertaining journey in Loki’s season 2. He was your regular white-collar worker who, due to some unforeseen circumstances and some luck, managed to leave the desk for a while, so he basically lived the dream of everyone with a regular nine-to-five job.

Essentially, though, it seems like he went back to paperwork, since he’s not seen in Deadpool & Wolverine, or maybe he just blended so well with the office I didn’t spot him. Or maybe Ouroboros learned he couldn’t take care of everything on his own and hired some help in the form of Casey? Thankfully, our favorite TVA receptionist didn’t join Paradox and his rogue crew of office strikers, who decided to accelerate the ending of one of our favorite Marvel timelines.

Ravonna Renslayer

Ravonna Renslayer (Gugu Mbatha-Raw) in Loki season 2 episode 3
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Now this is a character who had unlimited potential in Deadpool & Wolverine. Renslayer is a former TVA manager who turned into a villain in Loki, and eventually got pruned in the fifth episode of the second season. She was seen waking up in The Void, where the majority of Shawn Levy’s new film takes place. She was also seen near an Alioth, so there could be a perfectly good reason why she wasn’t in Deadpool & Wolverine.

She could have been eaten by Alioth and ceased to exist. If not, then she’s probably taking refuge somewhere in the Void and looking for ways to get out. If that is the case, I wouldn’t side with Cassandra Nova if I were her.

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Who, or what, is Alioth in the MCU? https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/who-or-what-is-alioth-in-the-mcu/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/who-or-what-is-alioth-in-the-mcu/#respond Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:49:29 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1730320 The character has awe-inspiring powers that sets it apart from many others in the Marvel Universe.]]>

Alioth, the mysterious entity, made an appearance in the recent MCU film, Deadpool & Wolverine. Now everyone’s trying to figure out if this entity has a larger significance in the MCU’s overarching storyline.

Alioth appears primarily in the fifth episode of the Disney Plus series Loki, titled “Journey into Mystery.” It is shown as an all-consuming force that engulfs pruned realities and everything within them. The entity is described as the first being capable of consuming time and space itself, acting as a guard dog for the Void at the end of time. The Void is where all pruned timelines are dumped, and Alioth ensures that they cannot escape or reform. It absorbs the temporal energy of anything it consumes, growing larger and more powerful with each conquest.

This entity first appeared in the comic series Avengers: The Terminatrix Objective in 1993 and has since been a point of intrigue among fans of Marvel’s time-travel narratives. In this storyline, Ravonna, also known as Terminatrix, accidentally unleashes Alioth after attempting to use its power for her own ends. The entity then threatens to consume all realities, forcing the Avengers and Kang the Conqueror to intervene. Kang’s containment of Alioth was a critical part of his strategy to maintain control over his empire. By keeping Alioth at bay, Kang prevented it from devouring timelines that were crucial to his rule and strategic ambitions.

Alioth gained more mainstream recognition in the MCU through  Loki, where it was portrayed somewhat differently from the comics. Alioth acts as the custodian of this purgatory, ensuring that nothing escapes and the secrets of the TVA and the timeline remain hidden.

Loki and his variants, including Classic Loki, Kid Loki, and Sylvie, among others, confront Alioth after being pruned themselves. The climax of their interaction with Alioth comes when Sylvie decides to enchant the creature, theorizing that it is guarding the way to the true mastermind behind the TVA. This scene is pivotal as it showcases Sylvie’s unique abilities and growing partnership with Loki. The enchantment scene is particularly dramatic, underscored by Classic Loki’s sacrifice to create a distraction, allowing the duo to connect with Alioth’s mind.

The successful enchantment of Alioth by Loki and Sylvie reveals a pathway to a mysterious citadel at the end of time. This leads them directly to He Who Remains, the true architect of the TVA and the one responsible for maintaining the Sacred Timeline to prevent a multiversal war. He Who Remains explains that by controlling Alioth and using it to destroy divergent timelines, he has kept much more dangerous variants of himself and other threats at bay.

As an entity with ties to the Void, Alioth could serve as a gateway to introduce other cosmic beings and realms that have yet to be explored in the MCU. And its menacing presence in Deadpool 3, even at a distance, confirms the Kevin Feige and team have a lot in store for the entity’s future.

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‘Someone who we need and who is necessary’: Marvel actor explains why his character is so important to culture and proves he’s the ultimate MCU star https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/someone-who-we-need-and-who-is-necessary-marvel-actor-explains-why-his-character-is-so-important-to-culture-and-proves-hes-the-ultimate-mcu-star/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/someone-who-we-need-and-who-is-necessary-marvel-actor-explains-why-his-character-is-so-important-to-culture-and-proves-hes-the-ultimate-mcu-star/#respond Thu, 06 Jun 2024 14:23:44 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1705083 As if we didn't already know. ]]>

A lot of characters and stars have come and gone across the MCU’s lifespan to date, and very few of them have stuck around from Phase One up until Phase Five. Arguably the most notable of these Marvel mainstays is Tom Hiddleston‘s Loki, who has enjoyed one of the most transformative arcs of anyone in the entire cinematic universe.

From sympathetic villain to full-on world-conquering villain to anti-hero to actual hero, Loki has been and done everything across his 13 years and counting in the MCU, but why is it that the God of Mischief has struck such a chord with fans and audiences around the world? Hiddleston himself had much to say about this when asked about the malleability and the immortality of Loki as a character, crossing the Norse myths to the pages of Marvel comics to the present-day. The Thor actor told ComicBook.com:

“I’ve realized that, in human consciousness, that’s who Loki is. Loki is this ancient, mythic character who, in our collective mythology, represents the trickster, the transgressor, the boundary-crosser, the shape-shifter. Somebody who’s mercurial and spontaneous and unpredictable, who will always confound your expectations and wriggle out from underneath your certainties and convictions. Someone who we need and [who] is necessary.”

“Maybe Loki escaping death a couple of times is sort of an emblem of who he is in our culture. I spend a lot of time thinking about Loki. You can probably tell.”

Tom Hiddleston arguably knows his character better than any other MCU star

Close-up shot of Loki from the Loki season 2 finale.
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That’s a bold claim, I know. You could easily argue that honor belongs to Robert Downey Jr. instead and I would gladly listen to your argument, but at this point Hiddleston’s boundless enthusiasm and adoration for his character and deep understanding of what makes Loki tick has been proven again and again.

Most recently, it was Hiddleton himself who came up with the idea for Loki to quote himself from 2011’s Thor at the end of the Loki season 2 finale, which saw the character finally sacrificing himself for the greater good. The dialogue choice was such a perfect encapsulation of Loki’s complete character arc — not to mention proof that Hiddleston has an eidetic memory for all of his prior MCU appearances — that it’s genuinely shocking that it wasn’t scripted.

Loki’s place in the MCU is in flux right now, of course, seeing as he’s currently the God of Time and we’ve been told that the Loki TV show is over. With Hiddleston’s continued commitment to the role and this universe, though, Marvel had better bring him back soon. Luckily it sounds like he might be due a return in Avengers 5.

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Everyone remain calm, but the emotional support gator who inspired Alligator Loki has been kidnapped https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/everyone-remain-calm-but-the-emotional-support-gator-who-inspired-alligator-loki-has-been-kidnapped/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/everyone-remain-calm-but-the-emotional-support-gator-who-inspired-alligator-loki-has-been-kidnapped/#respond Thu, 02 May 2024 19:51:26 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1690346 The tragic tale of Wally the support alligator.]]>

If you’re a Loki superfan, then there’s a good chance you’re familiar with one very special character from the show: Alligator Loki. Appearing in season one episodes “The Nexus Event” and “Journey Into Mystery,” the hilarious scaled Loki variant quickly became a fan favorite. Unfortunately, the alligator that served as the model for Alligator Loki is missing, and its owners sent out a plea for help.

Before we get into that, lets review just how awesome this character is on the show. Alligator Loki has has horns, is green (super important) and hangs out with all the other Loki variants.

The original Loki, Tom Hiddleston, recently commented on the obvious ambiguity of alligator Loki. “The question is, ‘Is he really Loki? Or is he just green?’” Hiddleston told Marvel.com. “It’s such a funny question that [the Lokis] all bicker about. One thing about Loki is that Loki loves to be right. And they all have a different opinion about this alligator.”

As for Alligator Loki’s origin, we know that he was “pruned by the Time Variance Authority” for committing a very serious crime. That crime? Eating a neighbor’s cat. His punishment? Banishment to the void. If you’ve never heard of Alligator Loki, but you’re familiar with the comics, you may be wondering “did I miss this character? Am I crazy?” …While we can’t help you with the latter, we can tell you that you are not wrong; Alligator Loki is a completely original character made specifically for the TV show.

Now to the alligator that was used as a model for the character. His name is  Wally The Emotional Support Alligator, and unfortunately he’s gone missing. In fact, someone posted on r/marvelstudios and laid out the whole troubling issue.

It turns out that Wally’s owner, Joie, took Wally to Georgia, where the poor alligator was kidnapped from his enclosure. He was then placed “on another person’s front yard.” That person, not knowing that Wally was one of the most famous alligators around, called a tracker. The tracker came and picked up Wally, thinking he was just another alligator on the loose.

When Joie asked about Wally’s whereabouts, the tracker said he “released Wally into a swamp with over 20 other alligators and said there was ‘little to no hope of finding Wally.'” That’s not a good sign. To add insult to injury, the tracker “has been reluctant to provide additional information and seemingly has changed their story a few times.”

While the owner is devastated, it’s no easy ride for Wally either. Poor Wally had “everything he’s ever known ripped away from him,” which is “extremely worrisome,” because Wally is a domesticated animal that often eats Cheetos.

The writer of the post asks that people go to “Wally’s Facebook page or his TikTok account” for more information. Hopefully they find Wally soon!

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Is Loki in ‘Deadpool & Wolverine?’ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/is-loki-in-deadpool-wolverine/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/is-loki-in-deadpool-wolverine/#respond Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:08:13 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1686990 You didn't see that coming?]]>

Who doesn’t love a good teaser? Especially when it’s packed with enough Easter eggs to make even the Easter Bunny jealous. The latest trailer of Deadpool & Wolverine has left fans scouring each frame, not just for the thrilling action or the snarky banter we’ve grown to love but for the subtle nods that might hint at what’s really brewing in the MCU.

From a portal that suspiciously resembles Dr. Strange’s handiwork to the appearance of B-15 from the Loki series and even the big bad Alioth, the trailer is a treasure trove of Easter eggs that hint at a much larger, interconnected narrative. Add to that, the TVA’s involvement in the story who apparently recruits Wade for a mission, it’s not hard to wonder if Loki will make a brief cameo in the movie.

First, let’s clarify the timeline. The Deadpool & Wolverine movie is likely set after the events where Loki assumed control over all the branches of time and pulled them together. In the first trailer, we catch a glimpse of a redesigned TVA logo, which, according to CBR, confirms that Loki has now replaced the former TVA squad seen in the Loki series. Furthermore, the brief depiction of the multiversal Yggdrasil tree in the mural confirms that the movie takes place after the conclusion of Loki Season 2.

Is Loki in Deadpool & Wolverine?

For those who need a refresher, Alioth is the gargantuan smoke monster that guards the Void at the end of time. With Loki now in charge of the TVA and the timelines, it’s not a stretch to imagine that he could be using Alioth for his own purposes.

However, before we get too carried away with our conspiracy theories, it’s worth taking a step back and considering the limitations of Loki’s current situation. As we saw in the Loki series finale, the God of Stories is now trapped in the Void, tasked with maintaining the delicate balance of the timelines. The whole point of his new role is to keep the timelines in check, not to gallivant around the Multiverse causing mischief.

While the hints and teases in the trailer are certainly tantalizing, we can’t certainly forget that Marvel is known for its clever red herrings. For all we know, the appearance of Alioth, B-15, could be just a wink and nod to the fans who have been following the MCU‘s multiversal adventures with bated breath.

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Latest Marvel News: Henry Cavill joins Taylor Swift as ‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ talk intensifies while Tom Hiddleston’s lost ‘Loki’ arc is revealed https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/latest-marvel-news-henry-cavill-joins-taylor-swift-as-deadpool-wolverine-talk-intensifies-while-tom-hiddlestons-lost-loki-arc-is-revealed/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/latest-marvel-news-henry-cavill-joins-taylor-swift-as-deadpool-wolverine-talk-intensifies-while-tom-hiddlestons-lost-loki-arc-is-revealed/#respond Sat, 16 Mar 2024 04:00:00 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1672672 What could've been and maybe what still could be. ]]>

No, Henry Cavill isn’t the latest famous face to date Taylor Swift (although, who knows, give them time), but the former Superman star and the “Anti-Hero” singer do now share something unexpected in common. And it’s all Deadpool & Wolverine‘s fault.

Speaking of Tay-Tay, one of her erstwhile beaus, Tom Hiddleston, has reigned supreme over the MCU for the longest time, but it turns out his Marvel journey could’ve been even richer if Neil Gaiman had gotten his way. Meanwhile, has Bob Iger’s creative clamp-down may have claimed its first victim?

Taylor Swift, Daniel Radcliffe… and now Henry Cavill? Deadpool & Wolverine earns its weirdest rumored cameo yet

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We’re heading ever closer to Deadpool & Wolverine‘s release this July, and the crazy cameo rumors keep on rolling in. You may have already heard about Taylor Swift’s purported part in the threequel, or else the chatter that Daniel Radcliffe could show up. Well, both of those mind-blowing multiversal crossovers could just be blown out of the water by this one. Now, don’t get too carried away just yet, but multiple Marvel scoopers are confidently claiming that Henry Cavill will appear in the Ryan Reynolds vehicle… as another version of Wolverine! Honestly, I hope that’s true just for the sake of Cavill’s box office average, given how Argylle fared in February. Even so, given how long he’s been linked to the likes of Sentry, Captain Britain, and even Doctor Doom, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Neil Gaiman reveals he nearly made a Thor prequel animated series all about Loki breaking bad

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Neil Gaiman’s influence is woven through the MCU in a very subtle way, from the Marvel 1602 episode in What If….? to Eternals (more on that in a moment) borrowing from his comics. But it turns out we could’ve have an actual bonafide Gaiman project in the MCU, if things had gone differently. The Sandman creator has revealed that, back in the mid-2000s, Gaiman worked with Marvel Studios to develop an animated series set prior to 2011’s Thor, and even “came up with a whole story shape that ran a few seasons showing young Loki going from hero-worshipping his big brother to Going to the Bad.” Tragically, Marvel told him he “wasn’t actually allowed to have any of the characters at any point be different in any way from how they were in the Thor movie,” at which point he said “thanks, but no thanks” and bailed. Honestly, we can’t blame him but, oh, what could’ve been.

The eternal question of what’s going on with Eternals 2 may finally have been answered

Kit Harington as Dane Whitman aka Black Knight in 'Eternals'
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Eternals 2 isn’t happening? Everyone, pretend to be shocked! Yes, we had all pretty much figured it out anyway, after two and a half years of radio silence, but it’s being reported that a sequel to Chloé Zhao’s dour, DC-coded epic Eternals has been quietly shelved at Marvel, following Bob Iger promising investors that the studio will only focus on assured moneymakers from now on. So, given that Eternals stands as the fifth lowest-grossing MCU film ever, it never really stood a chance. That means we might just have to kiss goodbye our chances of seeing the likes of Kit Harington’s Black Knight and Harry Styles’ Starfox again in the MCU, as even Kevin Feige has practically admitted he had no idea what to do with them in the first place.

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Assault charges or ‘Quantumania’: What actually sealed Jonathan Majors’ Marvel fate? https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/assault-charges-or-quantumania-what-actually-sealed-jonathan-majors-marvel-fate/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/assault-charges-or-quantumania-what-actually-sealed-jonathan-majors-marvel-fate/#respond Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:33:03 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1662996 Was Majors doomed from the moment Quantumania cratered?]]>

It’s been two months since Marvel dropped Jonathan Majors, although it already feels like much longer. You could say that the writing was on the walls long before the Marvel star was found guilty of misdemeanor assault, that Majors was a marked man, that his days were numbered. At least that’s how it felt, people were talking about his departure for months before it was all finally confirmed, so the question is, was Marvel already making plans to reduce Jonathan Majors’ involvement in the MCU and if so, why?

How much damage did Quantumania do?

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One year later and Quantumania haunts Marvel fans to this day. The third installment in the Ant-Man franchise was supposed to be an epic adventure that would launch the MCU into phase 5 as well as officially introduce the Multiverse Saga’s big bad. Unfortunately, it wasn’t very good, in fact, it was downright bad, and as such, Quantumania has gone down in history as marking the beginning of the worst year for Marvel so far.

This was pretty bad news for Majors, whose debut in the film was greatly anticipated. Whilst fans singled out his performance as being one of the few good things many thought that his character was misused. Many were expecting him to kill Ant-Man considering his power level, but he got beaten by an army of ants and this was supposed to be the next Avengers level threat!

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Marvel was making moves to minimize Majors’ role in future projects after the failure of Quantumania. Marvel is known to adapt and change course fast, it’s part of the reason the studio has thrived for so long, so this does make sense. But Jonathan Majors did well with what he had in that movie, can Marvel really pin the blame on him?

The trial

There’s no doubt that the accusations against the star damaged his reputation. When the news of his arrest first broke it looked possible that Disney/Marvel would drop him there and then. But they stuck with him, after all, he was in line to be the studio’s next big villain, he was the proverbial golden goose. He was able to keep his role as Kang/Victor Timely in the second season of Loki but found himself being kicked to the curb a little over a month later. Whilst there’s no doubt his assault charge led to his dismissal, perhaps if Quantumania had delivered, and if Kang brought in the fans and the money then Majors just might have gotten a second chance. That said, perhaps for Disney an assault conviction is always going to be a step too far.

His debut hadn’t been a box office draw to begin with, and now, with his reputation in tatters, letting Majors go was the most obvious choice for Marvel and Disney.

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Is Loki in ‘Deadpool 3?’ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/is-loki-in-deadpool-3/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/marvel/is-loki-in-deadpool-3/#respond Mon, 19 Feb 2024 10:26:34 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1661339 Thanks to his new job, Loki now has a higher chance of running into the Merc With a Mouth. ]]>

The Wolverine cameo at the end of the Deadpool & Wolverine trailer successfully broke the internet. But who else will be starring in arguably the most anticipated MCU release since Avengers: Endgame

After the Easter-egg filled trailer, the fans would like to know if Loki will be making an appearance in Deadpool 3. After all, Wade will be tangling with the Time Variance Authority, and the TVA were originally introduced to the MCU in the first season of Loki. The TVA was charged with maintaining the Sacred Timeline of the MCU, but over the course of both seasons of Loki, we saw this shattered as all the branches of the Marvel Universe have now been set free. More importantly, the season 2 finale of Loki saw the God of Mischief take on the duty of holding this newly branched multiverse together, making him a central figure in any multiverse-related story in the MCU henceforth. So, the question remains, will Loki be in Deadpool 3?

Why we might see Loki in Deadpool & Wolverine

TVA hunters in their new uniforms in 'Deadpool & Wolverine'
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Loki’s new job as the conduit of the multiverse puts him in a prime position for Wade Wilson to run into him, especially if he’s running around at the TVA. Deadpool is known for his irreverence and meta-humor, and he just might take a dig at Loki, or better yet, show up at Loki’s new spot at the temporal tree.

There’s also the chance that Loki might intervene in Deadpool’s actions if he is causing too much havoc on the timelines. In the trailer, we see the TVA arriving to pull Deadpool out of his timeline, much like they did to Loki back in season 1. Knowing how much of a troublemaker Deadpool is, he would likely not comply with whatever mission TVA Agent Paradox is requesting of him, which might lead to some intervention from Loki himself. Furthermore, with the upcoming movie already centered on two Marvel powerhouses, bringing in Loki for a small cameo may be worth it for a little extra hype from first viewers.

Why we might not see Loki in Deadpool & Wolverine

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However, despite all the evidence pointing to the fact that the world of Loki is about to become intertwined with that of Deadpool, there is little to prove that Loki himself will be making an appearance. Plot-wise, all the explanations for why Loki might show up seem far-fetched, especially because the trailer only barely gives a hint at what Deadpool & Wolverine will be all about. 

The Deadpool movies have also never relied on cameos and fan-service the way other MCU projects might, so they’re unlikely to start now. Marvel might also be unwilling to show Loki again so soon after his big sacrifice at the end of Loki season 2. Thus, the production powerhouse might be saving his reappearance for a much bigger event, like an ensemble movie. 

So, will Loki be showing up in Deadpool 3? The short answer is maybe. However, the long answer is “probably not.” However, this is the MCU, and anything is possible.

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Behold, your Marvel messiah! The Deadpool & Wolverine Super Bowl trailer went and finally gave us our first glimpse at the grand MCU debut of Ryan Reynolds’ Merc with the Mouth. Specifically, it revealed exactly how the anti-hero will crossover into the Marvel Studios reality. In a kind of demented, fourth-wall breaking mirror to Loki season 1, it’ll happen thanks to the TVA, as Wade Wilson is pulled out of his own timeline by the agents of the Time Variance Authority.

For a full-on “Deadpool meets the Avengers” team-up we might have to wait until Secret Wars (and the trailer even dropped a tease at that very eventuality), but clearly Deadpool 3 won’t waste any time in tying DP into the MCU’s lore. And in doing so, the franchise will tip its hat to one of the cinematic universe’s most traditional tropes: wonky continuity. Sure enough, the TVA as depicted in Deadpool & Wolverine doesn’t exactly match up with the organization’s portrayal in Loki.

So does someone need to be pruned at Marvel Studios for this blunder? Or is there a clever canon reason for this Deadpool vs. Disney Plus discrepancy?

Which version of the TVA appears in Deadpool & Wolverine?

Matthew MacFadyen as Agent Paradox in Deadpool & Wolverine
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Fans who were paying close attention immediately noticed that the TVA hunters that apprehended Wade from his timeline in the trailer have completely different uniforms from those in the Loki TV series. Whereas Hunter B-15 and others wear more streamlined black body armor with orange detailing and TVA insignias, the DP3 hunters don much bulkier armor plating with red detailing instead of orange and the addition of goggles on their helmets.

Obviously, behind the scenes, the reason for the change is obvious. Deadpool & Wolverine presumably has a bigger budget than Loki and a different costuming department — obviously they’re going to put their own stamp on it. From an in-universe perspective, however, it’s leading to some speculation from fans that this is actually an entirely different version of the TVA — the presence of Matthew McFadyen’s high-ranking Agent Paradox, never seen in Loki, only fuels this theory.

Nonetheless, whether it’s intentional or not, Loki season 2 does provide a possible explanation for the uniform alterations, and even personnel changes. In the season 2 finale, Loki rebooted time and the TVA was reborn anew, now operating as a more democratic organization run by its agents rather than ruled over by He Who Remains. It would make sense for the TVA to elect to freshen up their look to mark this brave new era.

“Also the new uniforms look like they have built-in bodycams, perhaps to help reduce the likelihood of rogue or corrupt agents,” opined Redditor ember3pines, presumably referencing how much trouble the renegade General Dox caused in Loki season 2.

LastWednesday0716 believes the TVA’s redesign hints at its bigger plans to combat the incoming Kang Dynasty: “The new uniforms look designed more for combat than policing which the old ones looked built for. This would make sense if their new mission is to ‘combat’ a rising Kang in a timeline. We’ve seen what a single Kang can do to an unprepared combatant. This to me speaks of a TVA that is preparing for war.”

Meanwhile, Krolitian provided the ultimate bit of evidence that Deadpool 3‘s TVA is from after the events of Loki season 2, thanks to a big blink-and-you’ll-miss-it clue. “They showed the logo for Loki’s new TVA logo in the trailer,” the Redditor said. “When they walk thru the push doors, in the background you can see if on the wall. It’s the hourglass with branches on both sides.”

It’s unclear if Deadpool & Wolverine will reference the events of the Loki finale, but given that What If…? managed it, it’s not out of the question. Even a cameo from Tom Hiddleston doesn’t seem too crazy. July 26 can’t come soon enough.

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2024 is a curious year for the superhero world as Marvel and DC are practically on pause this year, with the real fallout for major changes to come not being felt until 2025.

For example, as James Gunn prepares to shoot next year’s Superman: Legacy evidence indicates he could be swiping the brains behind Marvel’s Loki for his own. Meanwhile, the Thunderbolts cast may finally be locked in as the future of the MCU on Disney Plus looks to have been thrown for a loop by Echo.

Things may seem quiet on the MCU/DCU front now, but just you wait, next year is going to be crazy

Is James Gunn just the start of Marvel’s directors jumping ship to DC?

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In the wake of House of the Dragon‘s Milly Alcock being confirmed as the DCU’s Supergirl, some curious social media activity has eagle-eyed fans wondering if Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow could see another Marvel director pulling a Gunn out of their pocket and hopping over to DC. Specifically, Kate Herron — known for helming Loki season 1 — interacted with Alcock’s post about her casting. As far as we know, Alcock and Herron have no professional connection, so it’s possible the Sex Education alum is in talks to direct the Superman: Legacy spinoff. Could this be just the beginning of the mass Marvel director exodus? Who could Gunn poach next? The Russo brothers?! We can but dream…

Chart-topper Echo cost a mere fraction as much as She-Hulk and Secret Invasion

Alaqua Cox's Maya Lopez poses on a motorcycle in an Echo promo image/Tatiana Maslany's She-Hulk screams in anguish.
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Something had to be done. The budgets for Marvel’s streaming shows have been increasing virtually with each new project, until we got to the point where She-Hulk and Secret Invasion cost as much as Avengers movies for a diet slice of the success. Enter Echo, which premiered on both Disney Plus and Hulu earlier this month and instantly topped the charts for both platforms. How much did that cost? As it turns out, just $40 million — that’s about 17% of She-Hulk‘s exorbitant $225 million pricetag. In other words, expect many more Marvel Spotlight series on the horizon and far fewer about green CGI characters. Bad news for anyone still dreaming about a “Shrek and Mike Wazowski Meet The Hulk” show.

Thunderbolts losing another cast-member as it gains two more means it’s time to install a revolving door

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You know how DC’s Suicide Squad franchise kills off its characters over the course of the movie so you don’t know who’s going to make it to the end? Well, Marvel seems to be pulling off an elaborate marketing tactic along the same lines for its own answer to Task Force X. The anti-hero team-up movie has been faced with so many casting changes this January that we can’t be sure who’ll actually be in it by the time the film releases in July 2025. As it happens, Lewis Pullman is officially replacing Steven Yeun as Sentry while The Bear favorite Ayo Edebiri is likewise out, leaving Geraldine Viswanathan (Bad Education) to fill her shoes. Just don’t take away Sebastian Stan or Florence Pugh, Marvel, and we’re golden.

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The ‘Loki’ season one ending explained: Why Sylvie killing Kang in the finale was a very bad idea https://wegotthiscovered.com/news/loki-ending-explained-why-sylvie-killing-kang-in-the-finale-was-a-very-bad-idea/ Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:02:53 +0000 https://wegotthiscovered.com/?p=1040257 Sylvie got her revenge against Kang in the season one finale, but here's why it's a terrible idea.]]>

There’s a frustrating tendency in revenge stories for the protagonist to finally stand in front of the person they want to kill and hesitate. Cue the monologuing, the confusion, and the “we’re the same, you and I” stuff. So it was refreshing in the Loki season 1 finale when Sylvie tried to merc Kang the Conqueror right after meeting him.

Kang’s precise knowledge of everything they’d say and do made it almost impossible to lay a finger on him but, in the end, Sylvie did what she came to do. Now it’s worth explaining why his death had such a sudden and drastic effect on the world and how it impacted the second season.

So why does Kang’s death break the multiverse?

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At the start of season one, the TVA’s purpose was apparently to keep the Sacred Timeline flowing to stop the universe from collapsing into multiversal disarray. And, surprisingly, that proved to be absolutely true. The only twist is that the multiversal chaos is always caused by Kang variants who ultimately end up brutally conquering other universes.

So why did killing the Kang at the end of time – known as He Who Remains – screw everything up? Well, the TVA exists throughout all time simultaneously in order to stop branching timelines from spawning new Kangs.

So, once He Who Remains is dead, there’s no one directing the TVA to prune Kang-loaded timelines. Asa such, new Kangs immediately begin to appear and wreak havoc.

We get a taste of what this will be like in the final moments of season one when Loki arrives back at the TVA to find that a Kang has already taken control of it. That this occurs instantly makes sense, as the TVA’s tech and strategic position outside of regular time make it an obvious prize for any ambitious Kang discovering it (and its position outside of time means this happened immediately from the TVA’s perspective).

This means the Kang in the season one finale may be the most benevolent it’s possible for a Kang to be, as the other incarnations we’ve seen so far have been much less chatty. Oh well, at least Sylvie got her revenge.

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